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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196895611" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196895611">(May 08 2020 at 13:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span>  -- we'll be starting our planning meeting (for the design meeting schedule over next 3 weeks) in about 28 minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899026" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899026">(May 08 2020 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> are you driving or am I ? :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899214" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899214">(May 08 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hello <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span>! Welcome to today's <strong>planning meeting</strong>. Please <span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span> to show you're here. To give folks time to gather, let's start out with 5 minutes for </p>
<h1>Announcements</h1>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899306" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899306">(May 08 2020 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>hi sorry for being late</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899500" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899500">(May 08 2020 at 14:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have a hackmd I made that summaries the survey responses</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899503" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899503">(May 08 2020 at 14:07)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://hackmd.io/gv41a48mRb-KV4SoJ0nXCA?view" title="https://hackmd.io/gv41a48mRb-KV4SoJ0nXCA?view">https://hackmd.io/gv41a48mRb-KV4SoJ0nXCA?view</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899512" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899512">(May 08 2020 at 14:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Not a planning thing, but we finally landed <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/55617/" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/55617/">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/55617/</a> Took us just 1 1/2 year and 3 people.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899605" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899605">(May 08 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was going to say, it's <em>definitely</em> been more than 1/5 year</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899623" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899623">(May 08 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's awesome!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899756" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899756">(May 08 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
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<li><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="232957">@Jack Huey</span>'s work on re-integrating chalk is r+'d :)</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899810" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899810">(May 08 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh and</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899841" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899841">(May 08 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
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<li>I merged the MCP RFC and created a <a href="https://forge.rust-lang.org/compiler/mcp.html" title="https://forge.rust-lang.org/compiler/mcp.html">page on forge</a> describing it</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899871" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899871">(May 08 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
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<li>I also made a page for our <a href="https://forge.rust-lang.org/compiler/reviews.html" title="https://forge.rust-lang.org/compiler/reviews.html">review policies</a> and <a href="https://forge.rust-lang.org/compiler/membership.html" title="https://forge.rust-lang.org/compiler/membership.html">membership policies</a></li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899903" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899903">(May 08 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>feel free to expand with PRs, I'd like to have pages we can easily reference for people when explaining things...:)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899947" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899947">(May 08 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm particularly interested in feedback around review policies</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196899973" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196899973">(May 08 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we have some "obvious but informal" rules and I'd like to know if there are others I missed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900031" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900031">(May 08 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, let's get started?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900081" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900081">(May 08 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> on a quick skim I was able to find most of the concerns I myself raised; good job on summarizing.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900108" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900108">(May 08 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> its obviously a bit disorganized at the moment</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900109" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900109">(May 08 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>We have I think <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/labels/meeting-proposal" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/labels/meeting-proposal">5 pending meeting proposals</a> -- and one that took place but nobody wrote up any summary yet (<a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/267" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/267">compiler-team#267</a>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900157" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900157">(May 08 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I'll create a poll -- if you can't vote in poll b/c mobile, find a computer :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900168">(May 08 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or leave comments :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900173" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900173">(May 08 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah sorry I should have written up a summary of <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/267" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/267">compiler-team#267</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900188" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900188">(May 08 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>/poll Which meetings should we consider for this round of scheduling?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900262" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900262">(May 08 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>(the basic outcome of <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/267" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/267">compiler-team#267</a> is that "we" decided to try out taking on some T-libs impl duties, on a trial period.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900310" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900310">(May 08 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>(<span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> how did you do that?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900343" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900343">(May 08 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>(<span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> <code>/poll Foo</code>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900378" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900378">(May 08 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think the mobile client still doesn't support them :( we should bug zulip about it :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900407" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900407">(May 08 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>or maybe someone motivated should contribute a PR...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900470" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900470">(May 08 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>So regarding the survey overview...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900536" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900536">(May 08 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do think it's a good thing to talk about, but not if it's just "Recapitualate what's in the hackmd"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900548" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900548">(May 08 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I didn't put a vote on <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288">compiler-team#288</a> because, while I think it is important, I think it can wait until the next cycle</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900563" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900563">(May 08 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess the idea would be to narrow down and group the themes, and kind of have a retrospective-style discussion on a few of them, yes?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900594" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900594">(May 08 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>although maybe <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288">compiler-team#288</a> is more important than <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/281" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/281">compiler-team#281</a>  ? not sure.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900606" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900606">(May 08 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196900548" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196900548">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I didn't put a vote on <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288">compiler-team#288</a> because, while I think it is important, I think it can wait until the next cycle</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yes I was saying that to Niko that can wait</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900607" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900607">(May 08 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>re: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288">compiler-team#288</a>, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> and I were talking a bit and felt the same, I also suspect we <em>could</em> just create an MCP and try experimenting a bit</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900656" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900656">(May 08 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I thnk it'd be good to get some technical grist to discuss</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900669" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900669">(May 08 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I didn't vote for the roadmap because, that should come after survey overview and discussion?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900683" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900683">(May 08 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>in my opinion is very important but it's also important to gather and process the survey before I guess</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900734" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900734">(May 08 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I definitely agree any roadmap discussion should come after survey overview</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900747" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900747">(May 08 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>interesting, I didn't think that they were that related</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900767">(May 08 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I guess that's silly on my part</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900769" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900769">(May 08 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> is your thinking that, since they are both non-technical, that we would not handle them both in the same planning cycle?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900775" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900775">(May 08 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>ahh ok, that doesn't mean I should abstain my vote there I guess?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900815" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900815">(May 08 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd like to know a bit more about what interaction you two foresee between them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900825" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900825">(May 08 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196900769" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196900769">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> is your thinking that, since they are both non-technical, that we would not handle them both in the same planning cycle?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>my thinking is just, I guess the survey would provide valuable data and decisions that would influence the roadmap</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900838" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900838">(May 08 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I could imagine, for example, that it helps inform "how much" we think we want to do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900841" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900841">(May 08 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I think the survey results inform our roadmap choices</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900868" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900868">(May 08 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900888" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900888">(May 08 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> right, I agree with that.</p>



<a name="196900898"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900898" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900898">(May 08 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>my question was more like</p>



<a name="196900928"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900928" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900928">(May 08 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>we typically only allot one meeting per cycle for non-technical stuff</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196900999" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196900999">(May 08 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>the intent was</p>



<a name="196901002"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901002" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901002">(May 08 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe we could handle <em>both</em> survey and roadmap in one meeting? Is that a silly idea?</p>



<a name="196901007"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901007" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901007">(May 08 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>a <em>minimum</em> of one meeting per cycle</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901016" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901016">(May 08 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>not a <em>maximum</em></p>



<a name="196901019"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901019" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901019">(May 08 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh!</p>



<a name="196901023"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901023" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901023">(May 08 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901054" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901054">(May 08 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>in particular there was a concern that we would just stop doing the "less technical" sort of things and neglect it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901062" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901062">(May 08 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay then don't mind me</p>



<a name="196901076"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901076" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901076">(May 08 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I put in a reserved slot :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901091" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901091">(May 08 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, we're scheduling</p>
<ul>
<li>May 15</li>
<li>May 22</li>
<li>May 29</li>
</ul>



<a name="196901106"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901106" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901106">(May 08 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196901002" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196901002">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Maybe we could handle <em>both</em> survey and roadmap in one meeting? Is that a silly idea?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>hmm unsure if it's a good idea, my guess is that after discussing survey would be a lot to process so I wouldn't jump to discuss the roadmap right after</p>



<a name="196901111"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901111">(May 08 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196901002" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196901002">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Maybe we could handle <em>both</em> survey and roadmap in one meeting? Is that a silly idea?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think one meeting is not good</p>



<a name="196901117"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901117" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901117">(May 08 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we'll need some time to think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901122" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901122">(May 08 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay cool</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901126" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901126">(May 08 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>So there’s (just?) one thing out of the 4 with votes that we need to decide not to schedule <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901166" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901166">(May 08 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>so the top votes are (in order)</p>
<ul>
<li>Survey overview and discussion <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/290" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/290">compiler-team#290</a></li>
<li>roadmap 2020-2021 <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/287" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/287">compiler-team#287</a></li>
<li>codegen unit part. <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/281" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/281">compiler-team#281</a></li>
<li>areas of the compiler <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288">compiler-team#288</a></li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901222" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901222">(May 08 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>we could just do the top 3, and then the question becomes in what order</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901232" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901232">(May 08 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901236" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901236">(May 08 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901245" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901245">(May 08 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm wondering if I should switch my vote</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901261" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901261">(May 08 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>between <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/281" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/281">compiler-team#281</a> and <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288">compiler-team#288</a></p>



<a name="196901273"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901273" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901273">(May 08 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>in terms of which is more important to handle first</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901282" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901282">(May 08 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do think that for the codegen unit partitioning (cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="125250">@Wesley Wiser</span>) it'd be good to try and kick off some brainstorming ahead of time and sketch out more concretely the <em>problems</em> and space of <em>solutions</em>, to help steer the conversation in a productive direction</p>



<a name="196901284"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901284" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901284">(May 08 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/281" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/281">compiler-team#281</a> just sounds "more fun"</p>



<a name="196901290"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901290" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901290">(May 08 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>Given the discussion above it is pretty clear to me that survey needs to come before roadmap</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901360" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901360">(May 08 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> but that shouldn't stop us from scheduling a meeting, just later in this cycle, no?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901376" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901376">(May 08 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, the ordering of</p>
<ul>
<li>survey</li>
<li>codegen unit partitioning</li>
<li>roadmap</li>
</ul>
<p>would work, and leaves 2 weeks to ponder for roadmap (and also for lang-team discussions to evolve a bit), or the alterative is</p>
<ul>
<li>Survey</li>
<li>roadmap</li>
<li>codegen unit</li>
</ul>



<a name="196901424"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901424" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901424">(May 08 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I definitely felt that the partitioning proposal was pretty abstract and we’d have a fairly handwavy meeting if we just started discussing the problem.</p>



<a name="196901457"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901457" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901457">(May 08 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I could see waiting on that until we "firm up" the proposal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901486">(May 08 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>and either having a "week off"</p>



<a name="196901493"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901493" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901493">(May 08 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>or doing the area discussion</p>



<a name="196901604"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901604" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901604">(May 08 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, honest question:</p>



<a name="196901612"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901612" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901612">(May 08 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>the area discussion</p>



<a name="196901638"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901638" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901638">(May 08 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>well maybe I should read its hackmd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901705" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901705">(May 08 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>my initial reaction is "does this benefit from being a synchronous one hour meeting?"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901740" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901740">(May 08 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, so,</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901762" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901762">(May 08 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it probably needs general consensus</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901782" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901782">(May 08 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>so that's why it benefits</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901816" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901816">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901826" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901826">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>The details of how its implemented, though</p>



<a name="196901830"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901830" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901830">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also thought there might be some tweaks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901832" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901832">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>to the deatils</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901837" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901837">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>that can be handled solely by wg-meta</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901846" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901846">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, good ideas</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901858" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901858">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>its just the high level breakdown of the areas themselves and the leads for each</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901874" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901874">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>that needs consensus, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901886" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901886">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>and because I think it maybe informs a bit how we work and think of ourselves, at least in the more far-reaching variants, it ought to be talked over</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901892" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901892">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess it depends on what do we really want to accomplish with it, one could think that this proposes some kind of a structure for the team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901900">(May 08 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, I think talking about <em>what</em> the leads do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901909" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901909">(May 08 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>in the sense that we have areas and leads</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901953" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901953">(May 08 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Or do we need to discuss first whether its even a good idea to adopt the proposed structure?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901959" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901959">(May 08 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>but unsure if we want to tackle that too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901986" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901986">(May 08 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like you could almost post what you have as a PR and let people comment changes in the GH Review</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196901988" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196901988">(May 08 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>so here is what I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902020" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902020">(May 08 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we should spend a bit more time on the areas thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902024" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902024">(May 08 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>to tighten up the questions we want answered</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902031" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902031">(May 08 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>(if any)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902034" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902034">(May 08 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>from a sync discussion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902061" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902061">(May 08 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I sort of feel the same about the codegen unit partitioning</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902072" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902072">(May 08 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I am wondering if saying</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902100" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902100">(May 08 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Re cgu meeting: I think part of the issue is that neither <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span>  nor I have any idea what to do about it and mw seemed to be the expert in this area. Part of our goal with the meeting was to just figure out who knows about it, who could do reviews and if there are any ideas floating around in somebody's head that they just haven't had time/desire to implement. </p>
<p>I think that could certainly be done async before the meeting but getting discussion on complex topics like that asynchronously is sometimes really hard.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902167">(May 08 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>is it possible to have both things in 1h sync meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902200" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902200">(May 08 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> I think I'd prefer to keep them separate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902221" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902221">(May 08 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>in particular, I think there may be people who are very interested in one topic and not the other</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902234" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902234">(May 08 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree that async conversations like that can be quite hit or miss</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902266" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902266">(May 08 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>and part of the goal of scheduling the design meetings like this was to allow people to opt out of the meetings that are not relevant to them (right?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902274" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902274">(May 08 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902295" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902295">(May 08 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="125250">@Wesley Wiser</span> do you think at least preparing a summary of the <em>problems</em> you are talking about is plausible?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902304" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902304">(May 08 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>if not any idea of the <em>solutions</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902390" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902390">(May 08 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hmm... I thought the gist I wrote kind of covered that...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902416" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902416">(May 08 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe I missed it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902424" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902424">(May 08 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me re-reads</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902426" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902426">(May 08 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, the gist</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902429">(May 08 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah sorry!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902438" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902438">(May 08 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I forget there was a <a href="https://gist.github.com/wesleywiser/9a7e3ca53a948dabbf30b3a0b8635860" title="https://gist.github.com/wesleywiser/9a7e3ca53a948dabbf30b3a0b8635860">gist</a> :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902463" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902463">(May 08 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>lol, yeah, this is kind of exactly the thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902486">(May 08 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah ok. Maybe I should I have highlighted that more.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902502" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902502">(May 08 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm just unaccustomed to people doing so much prep ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902508" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902508">(May 08 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's great</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902619">(May 08 2020 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>you know</p>



<a name="196902647"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902647" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902647">(May 08 2020 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>based on my review of the survey results</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902667" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902667">(May 08 2020 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have to admit that the two drivers that come to mind are</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902705" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902705">(May 08 2020 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Driver 1: { "lack of ownership", "lack of focus" } ==&gt; we should prioritize Areas of Compiler meeting</p>



<a name="196902743"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902743" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902743">(May 08 2020 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Driver 2: building Rustc is slow ==&gt; maybe we prioritize CGU meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902779" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902779">(May 08 2020 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>but really, it seems silly because we have no idea how much the CGU meeting will help with that problem</p>



<a name="196902785"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902785" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902785">(May 08 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196902705" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196902705">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Driver 1: { "lack of ownership", "lack of focus" } ==&gt; we should prioritize Areas of Compiler meeting</p>
</blockquote>
<p>my conclusion from this was prioritize roadmap (which is partly why I was surprised)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902872" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902872">(May 08 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p><em>but</em></p>



<a name="196902885"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902885" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902885">(May 08 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh sure, roadmap is important too. (To address "lack of vision" from survey)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902900">(May 08 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that for the roadmap discussion to be best, it prob needs more prepwork, so I am happy doing survey first</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902920" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902920">(May 08 2020 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just meant in terms of choosing whether, if at all, to do a third meeting from the remaining two proposals</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902935" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902935">(May 08 2020 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am leaning towards</p>
<ul>
<li>survey</li>
<li>codegen unit partitioning</li>
<li>roadmap</li>
</ul>
<p>(in that order)</p>
<p>and to circulate the areas draft for more async discussion</p>



<a name="196902963"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196902963" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196902963">(May 08 2020 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that's a good point <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>. I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> both feel wg-mir-opt is starting to hit a wall with regards to compilation times. Fixing the cgu thing won't automatically make rustc faster (probably) but it will at least unblock us and let us keep moving forward with MIR optimizations.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903196" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903196">(May 08 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have follow-up questions regarding CGU stuff, but I don't want to go into weeds here. Where is best place for such discussion?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903230" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903230">(May 08 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. is there a pre-existing Zulip topic you can link me to?</p>



<a name="196903254"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903254" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903254">(May 08 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>zulip thread per meeting proposal, perhaps, like we do for mcp?</p>



<a name="196903257"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903257" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903257">(May 08 2020 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>No, but I think a topic in t-compiler is probably fine</p>



<a name="196903310"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903310" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903310">(May 08 2020 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116122">simulacrum</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196903254" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196903254">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>zulip thread per meeting proposal, perhaps, like we do for mcp?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>oh we should totally do that for meeting proposals</p>



<a name="196903337"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903337" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903337">(May 08 2020 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, do we have consensus on </p>
<ul>
<li>May 15 -- survey</li>
<li>May 22 -- CGU</li>
<li>May 29 -- roadmap</li>
</ul>



<a name="196903338"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903338" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903338">(May 08 2020 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>lets get that fired off, maybe right after this meeting ends</p>



<a name="196903364"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903364" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903364">(May 08 2020 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Then I move to adjourn the meeting..second? :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903380" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903380">(May 08 2020 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>seconded</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903397" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903397">(May 08 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me getting all roberts-rules-of-order-y</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903418" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903418">(May 08 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>ha, I was wondering what the right emoji was</p>



<a name="196903442"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903442" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903442">(May 08 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>how is there <em>not</em> a gavel emoji....</p>



<a name="196903542"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903542" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903542">(May 08 2020 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116122">simulacrum</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196903254" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196903254">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>zulip thread per meeting proposal, perhaps, like we do for mcp?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>(should these threads live under <a class="stream" data-stream-id="233931" href="/#narrow/stream/233931-t-compiler.2Fmajor-changes">#t-compiler/major changes</a> , or under <a class="stream" data-stream-id="131828" href="/#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler">#t-compiler</a>  ...?)</p>



<a name="196903543"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903543" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903543">(May 08 2020 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>how is there not a "WHY? TELL ME WHY??" emoji</p>



<a name="196903559"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903559" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903559">(May 08 2020 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would make it <code>#t-compiler/meeting proposals</code></p>



<a name="196903570"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903570" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903570">(May 08 2020 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>personally I find t-compiler gets "really full"</p>



<a name="196903599"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903599" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903599">(May 08 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh wow, a new stream just for this? Heh</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903619">(May 08 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903653" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903653">(May 08 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do agree that <a class="stream" data-stream-id="131828" href="/#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler">#t-compiler</a> gets really full</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903808" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903808">(May 08 2020 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196903559" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08/near/196903559">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I would make it <code>#t-compiler/meeting proposals</code></p>
</blockquote>
<p>how about <code>#t-compiler/planning</code> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903859" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903859">(May 08 2020 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe I'm opting for too general a name ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903906" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903906">(May 08 2020 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>if we are adding we can also have a <code>#t-compiler/meetings</code> where general compiler meetings happen :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196903969" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196903969">(May 08 2020 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>/poll where should these Zulip threads go</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196904150" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196904150">(May 08 2020 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>FWIW we have <a class="stream" data-stream-id="233931" href="/#narrow/stream/233931-t-compiler.2Fmajor-changes">#t-compiler/major changes</a> not #<strong>t-compiler/major change proposals</strong></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196904266" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196904266">(May 08 2020 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, that's why I felt comfortable suggesting it above. But, to be fair, not all design meetings are about major changes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196904316" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196904316">(May 08 2020 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just meant the naming of "{noun} proposals" vs just "{noun}"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196904349" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196904349">(May 08 2020 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh I see</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196904381" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196904381">(May 08 2020 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think #t-compiler/meetings is nice because would be easier to go and look for last weekly meeting and things like that when one needs that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196904392" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196904392">(May 08 2020 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>so clearly it should be <code>#t-compiler/designs</code> <span aria-label="wink" class="emoji emoji-1f609" role="img" title="wink">:wink:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196904431" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196904431">(May 08 2020 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>or <code>#t-compiler/steers</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196904878" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196904878">(May 08 2020 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay I'll go with <code>#t-compiler/meetings</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196905846" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196905846">(May 08 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've actually thought about adding a stream for meetings</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196905895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196905895">(May 08 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>instead of using dedicated topics</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196905906" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196905906">(May 08 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>er, that is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196905917" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196905917">(May 08 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>still dedicated topics, but in their own stream</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196905927" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196905927">(May 08 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing is that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196905948" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196905948">(May 08 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the <em>actual meeting</em> should be in a different topic from "pre-discussion" about the proposal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196905975" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196905975">(May 08 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>(probably?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196906043" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196906043">(May 08 2020 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it'd be good to at least allow opening the prior discussion in a tab w/o distractions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196906062" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196906062">(May 08 2020 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>and several topics are nice for that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196906256" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196906256">(May 08 2020 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, this is the idea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196906293" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196906293">(May 08 2020 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also think continuing in the topic makes it seem like you should've participated in the prior discussion somehow, at least to me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196906319" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196906319">(May 08 2020 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and I don't think that's necessarily the expectation)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196906360" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196906360">(May 08 2020 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can definitely see it at least feeling like you should read it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196906372" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196906372">(May 08 2020 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is not true, imo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196906397" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196906397">(May 08 2020 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, we should summarize all prior discussion before the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196911925" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196911925">(May 08 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, I created <a class="stream" data-stream-id="238009" href="/#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler.2Fmeetings">#t-compiler/meetings</a>  and created topics within it for four proposals.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.05.08/near/196911941" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E05.2E08.html#196911941">(May 08 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I left out the llvm.side-effect meeting proposal, for now at least</p>



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